Suggestion noted.
http://bigpeace.com/dfriedman/2011/05/20/netanyahu-urges-u-s-return-to-1845-borders/
Funny because true. This might make sense if Israel had initiated the 6 days war, claimed more territory, and now to get peace the palestinians want that land back. That's not what happened. Israel was attacked. Israel was attacked and they won the war, and as part of the war settlement these lands were ceded to Israel. By what possible logic do palestinians now get to come back and say you know what we really would like it if you just pretended that you were never attacked and that the land was never ceded to you. The idea that Israel should be required to do anything to have peace is stupid. When has Israel ever started a war? Israel would have been happy to have peace from the beginning, it's the arab countries that find reason after reason to have war. Arab countries have never wanted, and will never want peace with Israel. Nobody what Israel does there will be war. This is no different than appeasement with Obama playing the role of Neville Chamberlin. Peace in our times.
As a side note, i don't understand why jewish people vote overwhelmingly for democrats/Obama. I guess it remains to be seen if they will continue to support him, but i would never support a politician who treated Lithuania the way Obama treats Israel. I guess a lot of american jews don't care about Israel, and/or don't believe they have a right to exist, and so don't mind having Iran wipe them out. There was discussion before his presidency if Obama was a muslim. I don't think he's a muslim, he's probably an atheist who goes to church for political reasons. But it's clear that he is far more sympathetic to muslims than he is to jews or christians. Possibly because of growing up in indonesia, or maybe just because of his political beliefs. Regardless Lithuanian americans put their time and money behind freeing lithuania from soviet control. American jews could have a very strong voice in supporting Israel if they wanted to, but it doesn't seem to be a priority for them.
Funny because true. This might make sense if Israel had initiated the 6 days war, claimed more territory, and now to get peace the palestinians want that land back. That's not what happened. Israel was attacked. Israel was attacked and they won the war, and as part of the war settlement these lands were ceded to Israel. By what possible logic do palestinians now get to come back and say you know what we really would like it if you just pretended that you were never attacked and that the land was never ceded to you. The idea that Israel should be required to do anything to have peace is stupid. When has Israel ever started a war? Israel would have been happy to have peace from the beginning, it's the arab countries that find reason after reason to have war. Arab countries have never wanted, and will never want peace with Israel. Nobody what Israel does there will be war. This is no different than appeasement with Obama playing the role of Neville Chamberlin. Peace in our times.
As a side note, i don't understand why jewish people vote overwhelmingly for democrats/Obama. I guess it remains to be seen if they will continue to support him, but i would never support a politician who treated Lithuania the way Obama treats Israel. I guess a lot of american jews don't care about Israel, and/or don't believe they have a right to exist, and so don't mind having Iran wipe them out. There was discussion before his presidency if Obama was a muslim. I don't think he's a muslim, he's probably an atheist who goes to church for political reasons. But it's clear that he is far more sympathetic to muslims than he is to jews or christians. Possibly because of growing up in indonesia, or maybe just because of his political beliefs. Regardless Lithuanian americans put their time and money behind freeing lithuania from soviet control. American jews could have a very strong voice in supporting Israel if they wanted to, but it doesn't seem to be a priority for them.
posted by Trashcan at 5/20/2011 08:27:00 PM
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I don't the the priority will be negligible. Relations with Israel have always been important for the Jewish vote.
I guess we'll see, but i haven't read about much outrage from the jewish community about Obama's statements.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0511/Obama_friend_Israel_shouldnt_be_political_football.html
Here thepresident of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations specifically tells jews that they shouldn't vote against obama just because he's anti israel (which he essentially admits.)
Solow's statements prove Jews will vote against Obama just for that, otherwise why would he open his mouth?
First off Solow's statement proves only that he is concerned that people who otherwise would have voted for Obama might not. It does not prove that such concerns are justified and that any jew will actually vote against him based off that.
What it does prove is that are some jews (solow) who strongly advocate not voting against Obama because of his anti israel position, and that those jews are not isolated somewhere, but rather extremely important influential jews. If the situation were reversed and Obama was advocating that russia should be allowed to retake vilnius and surrounding territories it controlled under the Czar, i don't think there would be such high ranking members of the lithuanian american community calling on people not to vote for Obama over that. And if there was someone who did try to say that at a large meeting, i think he would be shouted down and booed off the stage.
Are you kidding? I think all of the members of LB from the president down would be calling for a boycott on Obama.
I meant calling on people to not, not vote for Obama over that. As in this jewish guy calling on jews not to vote against Obama because of anti israeli stance, if an american lithuanian called on others to not vote against obama just because of his stance on lithuania's borders, he would be shouted down.
Do you mean shouted down by Lithuanians, or by democrats? I can't think of any Lithuanian who would say "Lithuania doesn't matter, vote for Obama anyway." I'm sure there are some, but they're not part of LB, so they wouldn't get the message anyway. LB's not exactly as vocal as the Jewish American Community.
That's my point. The president of the jewish organization doesn't feel weird about telling people that they shouldn't vote against obama just because of his stance on israel. I can't imagine the president of LAB getting up and telling everybody they shouldn't vote against obama just because his position on lithuania's borders.
Good, then we're in agreement. Huzzah!
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